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Category:20th-century Canadian Eastern Catholics

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The result of the discussion was: manual merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:19, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There are only two people in here, which isn't helpful for navigation. Mason (talk) 23:20, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Strange Music mixtape albums

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Strange Music albums. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:20, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: After about as thorough a search as I can manage, the two mixtapes listed are the only ones with articles I can find. I don't know if we're still concerned about categories being too small given SMALLCAT's retirement, but this one is very small. Upmerge both to Category:Strange Music albums. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 21:54, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Chapels in Aruba

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:21, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only one article in this category. Do not need dual merge as the lone article is already in Category:Roman Catholic churches in Aruba. –Aidan721 (talk) 20:48, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Roman Catholic cathedrals in Curaçao

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Empty babel categories

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Category:Fictional vegan and vegetarian characters

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:23, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Category:Fictional vegetarians was deleted several times previously, see the discussion for that category. Creating this one was an end-run around the deletions of the former category by adding vegans for no reason. Continues to violate WP:NONDEF. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ () 20:02, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep - There are a couple of characters that I would say are defining for this, namely Shaggy Rogers and Lisa Simpson. (Oinkers42) (talk) 06:58, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Oinkers' argument AHI-3000 (talk) 21:19, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The fact that Shaggy is a vegetarian is only listed as a side note. It's not something that comes up often, if at all in the actual show, which has offered a different explanation for why Shaggy is skinny. If that's one of the most prominent examples, then this category is rather weak. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ () 06:28, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Cmn-nem

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The result of the discussion was: soft delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:23, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Duplicates correctly-named subcats of (and forms a category loop with) Category:User cmn-nem * Pppery * it has begun... 19:29, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Works by setting

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The result of the discussion was: reverse merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 19:44, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Setting is inherently an attribute of fiction, so these two categories are redundant. There is a large overlap in the actual contents. –LaundryPizza03 (d) 17:39, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Reverse merge - and once that's done, we can take a look at the sub-cats. A lot of the fiction-related categories were created prior to "Works" becoming a standard. - jc37 19:29, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Deprecated

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:25, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This category can be mistakenly used for deprecated software (example: Special:Diff/1192076725). Similarly to Category:Wikipedia maintenance, Category:Wikipedia administration, etc, add prefix "Wikipedia" to avoid confusion. —⁠andrybak (talk) 13:34, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Chicago Dental Infirmary football

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Category:Chicago Dental Infirmary football seasons

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Category:Women's websites

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus to rename, but consensus to merge the applicable categories.
Nominator's rationale: Suggest rename modeled off of Category:Women's interest channels. I was very confused by the purpose of the category when I first saw it. I thought that this was websites owned by women. Mason (talk) 13:12, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Ungulates, again

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. A narrower nomination (i.e. just focusing on odd-/even- toed) might be more successful. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 19:49, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Follow-up to Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_November_30#Ungulates, where several of these were nearly deleted; they should of course rather be merged back to where the contents were diffused from. – Fayenatic London 18:07, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:08, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:1st-century Irish poets

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The result of the discussion was: merge for now. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 19:51, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only one article, Adna mac Uthidir, in the entire tree. –LaundryPizza03 (d) 19:39, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Concept- and mind-mapping software

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Category:Taxa named by Edward Branson

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The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:30, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: His name was Edwin not Edward. His article has already been moved. МандичкаYO 😜 06:22, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom; this could have been speedied under C2D. Omnis Scientia (talk) 08:26, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Montenegrin Malacologists

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Category:Viking Age clergy

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The result of the discussion was: disperse. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:33, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Not defining intersection between occupation and "age". Mason (talk) 01:56, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Nations at the Maccabiah

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Seawolf35 T--C 17:19, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Contain only one category each which are all present in Category:Maccabiah Games competitors. Omnis Scientia (talk) 17:02, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: target categories changed per Marcocapelle's suggestion. Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:22, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Category:Great Britain at the Maccabiah was not tagged. I have done so now.
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@Marcocapelle, can you clarify what you mean exactly? Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:22, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Omnis Scientia: with an automated merge, the bot is just replacing the occurrance of the nominated category by the targets. For parenting, that works well with upmerge: nothing changes in the parents of the targets and nothing needs to change. But with downmerge, the replacement leads to the target becoming its own parent category, while it should really adopt the nominated category's parents. But that does not happen automatically. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:21, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @Marcocapelle, yeah that would be easier.
    Um, I hope I'm not asking too much when I ask if you can edit this nomination to make the automated upmerge possible? I'm not really sure how to do that in this case. If you do, I can see how to do the same in future similar cases. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:34, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • It would result in, e.g.
:* Propose merging Category:Argentina at the Maccabiah to Category:Argentina at multi-sport events and Category:Jews and Judaism in Argentina

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Category:Fictional characters who break the fourth wall

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. No prejudice against renomination. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 19:53, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: I do not think this is defining - what about a character who randomly looks at the screen and shrugs as a gag, but is otherwise a normal character who isn't cognizant of the audience? It's simply too vague to distinguish between minor moments of fourth wall breaking and characters who are aware of the audience at all times. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ () 14:30, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep The category only includes characters who break the fourth wall as a defining characteristic, as defining characteristics are the cornerstone of Wikipedia categories. Therefore, the category does not include characters who have only broken the fourth wall once or twice, but instead lists characters who are known and recognised for doing it. I kept this in mind when I originally created the category and added the characters to it.The Editor 155 (talk) 15:19, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    The question's whether "executing a fourth wall break" can even be defining, or if it's a trait of the story itself rather than the character. Perhaps the character has some ability that would let them be aware of the fourth wall, but would belong more in characters who have superhuman powers or the ability to manipulate reality. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ () 15:55, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Some character frequently break the fourth wall, and become known for it. The watershed, obviously, is this fact being mentioned in reliable sources. Characters like She-Hulk and Deadpool have a fourth wall awareness ability, and clearly belong in the category. Whether Bugs Bunny belongs, I can't say. That's for the sources to decide. Paradoctor (talk) 00:44, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • (Looks at the audience) - So on Wikipedia, when assessing categories, it's often important to determine whether inclusion in the category is self-evident, or if it needs explanation, in type, scale, or importance, amongst many other things, as noted in the guideline WP:CATBEFORE. And when that is determined to be the case, such categories tend to either be Deleted or Listified, and such should be the case here. - jc37 19:50, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Fictional nuclear engineers

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Seawolf35 T--C 17:16, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Made by blocked user. No clear need for such a specific category compared to just engineers - many of these characters are not primarily known as having a "nuclear", "mining" or "chemical" specialty. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ () 13:23, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Why are you excluding the other similar subcategories of Category:Fictional engineers? –LaundryPizza03 (d) 19:44, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I hadn't found them at that point. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ () 21:39, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, not all engineers are the same. I at least think chemical and nuclear engineers could be valid categories, I dunno about mining engineers. AHI-3000 (talk) 20:59, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Comedy actors

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The result of the discussion was: delete all. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:36, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Subcategory list
Nominator's rationale: Firstly, this category tree appears to fall under Category:Actors by medium; however, comedy is a genre, not a medium. Secondly, this appears to be a WP:PERFCAT violation; we don't have other instances that I'm aware of where we categorize actors by the genres they have featured in. If nothing else, if the feeling is that these categories have merit, I think the naming schema for male and female actors should be consistent. DonIago (talk) 14:27, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Please feel free to add related comedy actor/actress categories that I might have missed! DonIago (talk) 14:58, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom Mason (talk) 15:38, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Art museums and galleries by year of (dis)establishment

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The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:36, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Considering that art museums and galleries are grouped together in Category:Art museums and galleries, it doesn't make sense to categorize (dis)establishments of them separately. The sub-categories can be speedied after discussion (unless someone wants to tag and list them all). –Aidan721 (talk) 18:36, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. Mason (talk) 21:20, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Vegetation of Cyprus

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:37, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Overlapping category Mason (talk) 15:58, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The sub-categories of Category:Vegetation of Cyprus are as follows:
Thus, in this case, they are overlapping and the vegetation category is not needed. –Aidan721 (talk) 18:41, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Vegetation of Australia

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Category:Vegetation of New Zealand

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Category:School buildings in Oregon

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Category:Maronite Church in South America

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:42, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: A container category for 3 countries, while the parent has "just" 4 other countries in it. There is no other continent-level Maronite category. Overall, this does not bring much in terms of navigation. Place Clichy (talk) 17:46, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Interquel video games

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The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:44, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Follows the naming convention already set by Category:Video game sequels and Category:Video game prequelsBlaze WolfTalkblaze__wolf 17:20, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong support, given Blaze Wolf is here largely because of my careless assumption that the proposed name was already its name, which led me to introduce a red link to a page's category list. --Pinchme123 (talk) 19:50, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You are correct. I saw you add that and after realizing it was a real category, I figured "Why is it not at that name already?" ― Blaze WolfTalkblaze__wolf 20:19, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If it helps at all, there are RSes provided at Sequel#Classifications supporting this term. As I've said elsewhere, many are physical sources and so hard to check on, but one of them is available online. I don't think the term is a TV Tropes invention (the Wiktionary entry for the term predates TV Tropes by about five months, if the founding date on its Wikipedia page is correct). --Pinchme123 (talk) 22:29, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Fictional characters with physical and congenital disorders

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Category:History of Chitral

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The result of the discussion was: rename as per nom. Seems to be a WP:1AM situation. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 19:59, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: renominate per WP:IAR, this category was part of a District of Chitral batch nomination, to be split in District in Lower Chitral and District of Upper Chitral, see [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 November 19#Chitral District II]]. However, the split of this particular has not been implemented yet, and can't be implemented. It is not about the history of any district but about the history of a former princely state. This new proposal reflects that. If renamed, it should also be re-parented, see categories in Chitral (princely state) article. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:31, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@LaundryPizza03 and Qwerfjkl: courtesy ping to nominator and closer of previous discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:34, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support based on actual contents. –LaundryPizza03 (d) 08:25, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Chitral's status as a historical and cultural area was not affected by its split into two administrative areas in 2018. Its history is wider than the history of the princely state abolished in 1972. From a pragmatic point of view the two districts created in 2018 share so much history that it would not be meaningful to attempt to split articles relating to their history before 2018 between the two districts.--Mhockey (talk) 21:18, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, there was no discussion of it (I was not aware of it), and it needed discussion.--Mhockey (talk) 19:14, 21 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support -- The content largely seems to relate to events before 1972. If we can devise a name, it might be feasible to have a category for everything up to the split in 2018. Perhaps Category:Chitral (state) would deal with that, provided a headnote is added, explaining that anything after the split in 2018 should not be placed in the category, but the two for the successor states. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:14, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • You have to consider the range of matters which could potentially be included in the category, not the articles which are currently in the category. Plenty of things happened in Chitral between 1972 and 2018, and you would not expect expect such articles in a category named for an entity abolished in 1972. I suggest it would not be difficult to devise a name of such a category: why not Category:History of Chitral?--Mhockey (talk) 21:29, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Ancient Greeks by death

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The result of the discussion was: keep 1 & 3, rename 2, delete 4.
Nominator's rationale: Cleaning up the acient greeks by death category. We don't intersect cause of death with nationality for many of these category. If Category:Ancient Greeks who died from disease is kept, it should be renamed: Disease-related deaths in Ancient Greece Mason (talk) 05:59, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Weak oppose on merging Category:Ancient Greeks by death, we do categorize cause of death by country and this seems to be an approximation of that.
  2. Support renaming Category:Ancient Greeks who were murdered per naming convention.
  3. Support renaming Category:Ancient Greeks killed in battle per naming convention.
  4. Just delete Category:Ancient Greeks who died from disease, death from disease should be container categories by type of disease.
  1. Oppose: I'll be guided by Marcocapelle on this one—upmerging would delete useful categorization that's consistent with other extant categories.
  2. Weak support: "murder victims" doesn't sound like an ideal formulation, but looks like an improvement over "who were murdered". Perhaps "homicides" might be an alternative.
  3. Oppose. "military personnel" smacks of hypercorrectness and is a jarringly modern and technical description that simply does not belong in classical antiquity. "Killed in action" is 20th-century military jargon for "killed in battle". Keep it simple, and avoid jargon—the current title is fine, and much better than the proposed alternative.
  4. Oppose. "Disease-related deaths" sounds like a statistical category that would include all mentions of plague or pestilence, not just specific persons who died from various diseases, which is what the current title suggests. Marcocapelle may be correct about specific categories for types of disease, but "disease-related deaths" would make the scope of the category vaguer.
Looking over that category, I see that it includes generals, common soldiers, and military engineers, of whom at least the first two could arguably be called "soldiers", but I'm at a bit of a loss as to how to include "admirals", and not sure whether "women in Greek warfare" might include non-fighters. So it may be that "military personnel" was chosen simply because the category creator could not think of any other phrase that would include all of these subcategories. Not sure I can think of a better one—certainly not off the top of my head. However, there's no need to limit "Ancient Greeks killed in battle" to soldiers, or some category of combatants including admirals, Amazon warriors, centaurs, etc. (maybe "warriors" would work for the parent category?). "Ancient Greeks" includes all of the above, and potentially other categories—the only limitations being that they were Greek and that they were slain in battle. So we don't need to have a perfect term covering everyone's roles in warfare. P Aculeius (talk) 22:44, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Fictional characters with density control abilities

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 20:17, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Propose merging Category:Fictional characters with density control abilities into Category:Fictional characters who can turn intangible
Nominator's rationale: I'm not totally sure yet, but from my observation of these two categories, there's not much difference between them, and there's significant overlap between both categories. If there's proven to be any real difference between them, then I will withdraw this merging proposal and just leave one of these categories as a subcategory of the other one. AHI-3000 (talk) 01:50, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
So now that we're left with exactly 9 pages in the density category, I'm wondering what to do next? We have a few possible options:
I'm not really sure yet. If anyone has any other suggestions, please add something below here. AHI-3000 (talk) 07:44, 21 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. This nomination seems to be equating density with solidity. True, in comics at least this isn't new; the Vision was initially IIRC able to fly and to pass through walls and people by "reducing his density" and become hard and massive by increasing it. However, Phantom Girl became intangible by "phasing"; she did not become less dense or less massive, and did not float away like a balloon, while Light Lass made objects lighter (thus controlling their density) without making them intangible. Marvel's Sandman can become diffuse and thus in one sense less dense, but not intangible, and so on. In many (most?) cases in comicbook physics, the abilities aren't the same and one is not represented as a subset of the other. NebY (talk) 15:08, 21 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reverse merge Turning intangible is one form of density manipulation. InfiniteNexus (talk) 19:41, 21 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Ships built by Venetian Arsenal

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Ships built by the Venetian Arsenal. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:47, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: I'm pretty sure that these are the same category, but if the distinction is meaningful, I'd really like one of the categories renamed. Mason (talk) 21:57, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Merge as nom. The Venetian Arsenal is a notorious enough shipbuilder to have its own category for ships built there, enough that many ships list it as builder in reliable sources. The first line of article Venetian Arsenal calls it responsible for the bulk of the Venetian Republic's naval power from the Late Middle Ages to the early modern period and "one of the earliest large-scale industrial enterprises in history". The corporate structure is probably not comparable to Anglo-American capitalism, but that's not the topic here. Place Clichy (talk) 17:57, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per nom but keep the distinction. The Venetian Arsenal is a notable entity and the closest to a naval industrial complex in pre-industrial revolution times. Constantine 20:41, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Wasps Netball matches

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:47, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT, only 1 article, and no more will exist in the future, since the team is defunct. Therefore, upmerging to the only parent category is sensible. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:55, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Vital articles in an unknown topic by quality

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Category:Level-unknown vital articles by quality

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Category:Unassessed vital articles by level

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Category:Republic of China Buddhist monks

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Seawolf35 T--C 17:14, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: not a defining intersection of religion with political regime per Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_November_25#Category:People_from_the_Republic_of_China Mason (talk) 06:23, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(Also fyi, I've already added people to the respective 21st-century Buddhist monk/buddhists category) Mason (talk) 21:41, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • They should not be merged. Republic of China and People's Republic of China are also seen as two time labels and geographical labels used to differentiate the religious people in China from 1912 to 1949 and Taiwan since 1945 from those religious people in China since 1949. Merging them would cause some unnecessary confusion as many Taiwanese people only accept the tag of Republic of China instead of the tag of China and People's Republic of China. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aronlee90 (talkcontribs) 07:42, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That doesn't make much sense to me – why would we combine Taiwanese monks post-1945 with Chinese monks pre-1949 in one category? If these categories are kept, each category's scope should be based on a single combination of place and time period. For instance, Category:Republic of China Buddhist monks and Category:People's Republic of China Buddhist monks could be subcategories of Category:Chinese Buddhist monks by period, covering 1911-1949 and 1949-present respectively. Post-1945 Taiwanese monks should be in Category:Taiwanese Buddhist monks regardless.
Likewise it may make sense to keep Category:Republic of China Taoists (there are other time-period categories in Category:Chinese Taoists), as well as Category:Republic of China Buddhists and Category:People's Republic of China Buddhists as part of Category:Chinese Buddhists by period.
On the other hand, Category:People's Republic of China Tibetan Buddhists should be merged as there seems to be no corresponding set of categories by period. The same appears to be true of Category:People from the Republic of China by religion. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 15:45, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:History of Buddhism in Nanjing

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 16:51, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. Only one page in here, which isn't helpful for navigaiton Mason (talk) 05:39, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Buddhist artifacts of China

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The result of the discussion was: triple merge. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 16:49, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one artifact in here, which is unhelpful for navigation Mason (talk) 05:38, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Educators from the Colony of South Australia

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The result of the discussion was: merge all. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 16:45, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: We don't need to slice up 19th-century educators by which colony they were in. Regime is not a defining intersection here. Same logic as Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_November_17#Category:Writers_from_the_Colony_of_Western_Australia Mason (talk) 04:51, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Professorships at the Imperial Moscow University

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Academic staff of Imperial Moscow University. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 16:45, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Based on the content. Everyone in here is a professor at Imperial Moscow University. There are no pages for "professorships". Mason (talk) 01:07, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Russian institutions supporting the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 16:45, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Non-defining. Mason (talk) 00:56, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Graduates of the Academy of Fine Arts in Gdańsk

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Academy of Fine Arts in Gdańsk alumni. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 16:44, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Identical categories Mason (talk) 00:56, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Poles awarded the Order of the Crown of Italy

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Recipients of the Order of the Crown (Italy). (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 16:44, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: No need to diffuse by nationality. If kept, it should be renamed to Category:Polish recipients of the Order of the Crown (Italy) Mason (talk) 00:51, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Symphonic poems by Jean Sibelius

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Tone poems by Jean Sibelius. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 16:43, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: It is well-established in the Sibelius studies literature that the composer himself preferred the term "tone poem" rather than "symphonic poem"; moreover, Category:Tone poems by Richard Strauss provides a precedent for naming like categories nested under Category:Symphonic poems by composer using "tone poems" as a preferred synonym. ~ Silence of Järvenpää 00:49, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:1901–02 NCAA football bowl games

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Category:Results of South Australian local elections

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The result of the discussion was: dual merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:25, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one page in here, which is unhelpful for navigation. Mason (talk) 00:18, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support splitting as creator of said categories (Consider this as a reply to all three of these proposed deletions) Totallynotarandomalt69 (talk) 00:23, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please don't remove the pages from the category. (other people need to be able to evaluate the categories) Mason (talk) 00:25, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ah, will revert Totallynotarandomalt69 (talk) 00:36, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Video games set in the New Kingdom of Egypt

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:26, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: There's not need to diffuse by specific kingdom Mason (talk) 00:07, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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